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midline
Apr 10, 2007 10:17:47 GMT -5
Post by panther on Apr 10, 2007 10:17:47 GMT -5
Running out of the I for the first time with the midline Plan to use the te to come underneath the tackle, use the tb with te blocking out, and use both. When would you have te block out, vs 4-3 , 44, and when would you have him go underneath with tb faking pitch.
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midline
Apr 10, 2007 20:37:48 GMT -5
Post by coachveer on Apr 10, 2007 20:37:48 GMT -5
Coach, Vs a base 43 one of the questions you need to ask is do you need 2 hats on the Mike. If so, then you would want to fold the plsd TE to mike. You would then take the TB and "Blast" him through to kick out "Sam". You can also use motion and formation to get move Sam out. If the mike always plays the FB then you can just use the plsd G to block the Mike and Fold the TE to Sam. Now, not everyone will Fold the TE underneath some people will combo the plsd T and TE on the DE upto SAM.
Hope that makes sense.
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midline
Apr 11, 2007 12:06:46 GMT -5
Post by bkoption on Apr 11, 2007 12:06:46 GMT -5
Our general rule for folding the TE is, it is the TE's call. If he is getting an inside shade he will make a call to the Tackle to fold block with him. The other situation is if the DE is slanting hard inside and he knows he just can not kick him out without help. The other tech we use in these situations is a fan scheme. the TE will go out onto a wide aligned LB or SS and the T will kick the DE
I have never really thought about comboing or zoning the DE to the sam. What about the speed of the play. Do the T and TE have time to effectivly combo the DE to teh Sam if the midline hits quick? I guess it would depend on what the Sam is doing, filling down hill or scraping over the top.
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midline
Apr 11, 2007 16:23:40 GMT -5
Post by coachveer on Apr 11, 2007 16:23:40 GMT -5
Hey Bk- My guys up front are not very good. Which is why we run Veer. There are times when my OT can't block the better DE. So for us using a "wedge" dbl "vertical push" on the DE to Sam just seemed to fit what we do.
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midline
Apr 11, 2007 16:42:29 GMT -5
Post by bkoption on Apr 11, 2007 16:42:29 GMT -5
Hey Coach, Mine aren't either! plus there small. (I should say smaller than usual) That's why the scheme intrigued me. I wasn't questioning your scheme, just trying to understand. We have done a ton more work with zone concepts recently so I have been trying to apply them whenever possible to create better situations (combo's) for my undersized offensive lineman. I think we may have to combo a bunch more on our veer this year too. In the past we have been able to man mostly everything and get extra folks up to the 2nd level. We'll see.
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midline
Apr 11, 2007 20:01:14 GMT -5
Post by coachveer on Apr 11, 2007 20:01:14 GMT -5
Hey Coach, Mine aren't either! plus there small. (I should say smaller than usual) That's why the scheme intrigued me. I wasn't questioning your scheme, just trying to understand. We have done a ton more work with zone concepts recently so I have been trying to apply them whenever possible to create better situations (combo's) for my undersized offensive lineman. I think we may have to combo a bunch more on our veer this year too. In the past we have been able to man mostly everything and get extra folks up to the 2nd level. We'll see. Coach, We switched to combo blocking about 3 years ago. My guys love it. It allows them to stay aggressive since they only have to attack half or even a third of a man. We still triple combo sometimes on IV and OV. Come to think of it I don't think we ran any "Man" schemes last year. We worked a lot of wedge, scoop, and fast rotations.
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midline
Apr 12, 2007 10:29:23 GMT -5
Post by panther on Apr 12, 2007 10:29:23 GMT -5
Coaches Thanks for advice on using the te. Panther
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midline
Apr 12, 2007 12:16:13 GMT -5
Post by bkoption on Apr 12, 2007 12:16:13 GMT -5
Would the triple combo on IV be the center, guard, tackle on the DT? and would OV be Guard,Tackle,TE?
I have been looking at this type of combo against the 3-5-3. Get both guards and the center on the nose (hopefully great movement with a 3 on 1) plus we can handle the Mike in either direction. I'm always looking for ways to help out my center.
I'm thinking that with this years personel and the fact that we are going to go Gun (part of the time) we will use our combo schemes the majority of the time too.
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midline
Apr 12, 2007 16:26:20 GMT -5
Post by coachveer on Apr 12, 2007 16:26:20 GMT -5
Hey BK, Your triple combo scheme is corrct. We like using the triple combo vs a stack nose/Mike. ie the old 53 and 33 stack. We will triple the nose to mike with G/C/G/. We will inside veer release the OT to the Sam. And Load the Sam with the Slot. We will then read the 5 tech and pitch off of the SS/Bandit. The SE is going to block the "Skybox" which is to push the corner and read the FS and block the first one to show. This scheme take the pressure off of our center from having to hand the slant and stunts of the stack.
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midline
Apr 13, 2007 9:52:40 GMT -5
Post by panther on Apr 13, 2007 9:52:40 GMT -5
bk The triple wedge is exactly how we play the iv with the pitch off the bandit. We also ran the midline the same way even though its not that great vs this defense. if the nose slanted then the center and guard would double with the bsg getting the mike, problem is stack backer on backsideor tackle on backsidewith sending backside off tackle for the stack. Playside tackle gets the stack lb with the read still being the def tackle.
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midline
Apr 13, 2007 16:24:26 GMT -5
Post by bkoption on Apr 13, 2007 16:24:26 GMT -5
We run IV to the 3-5 / 3-3 / or 5-3 the exact same way. We have just never combo blocked the nose before. We have had the center base the nose or scoop him with the backside guard and take the play side guard directly to the mike. Weather or not we will be able to do that this season, I don't know. We may have to combo especially out of the gun becasue it takes longer. We never really have trouble with the backside. The BST will scoop and make sure no one crosses his face. When he hears the center call for the BSG to cut he knows he has a bigger gap to close before working to the 2nd level.
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